TRIAL UPDATE # 10: Testimony from Google’s CEO and Its “Expert” Witnesses Leaves the $1.7 Trillion Company More Exposed

November 3, 2023

Week 8 of the landmark U.S. v. Google trial concluded with testimony and cross-examination of four Google witnesses, including Google’s CEO Sundar Pichai, and it has left the $1.7 trillion company more exposed than ever. The DOJ managed to successfully attack the credibility of every witness on trial this week as well as showcase with evidence their actions and behaviors that were anti-competitive. 

First, let’s start with Google calling the case’s most high-profile witness, its CEO Sundar Pichai on Monday. 

Google’s lawyer John Schmidtlein engaged in a surprisingly short 45-minute direct examination of Pichai, where the monopoly case was barely discussed, instead the time and questions were used to facilitate Pichai in painting an idyllic picture of his fasttrack heroic journey within Google from a product manager on Google Toolbar in 2004, to building the Chrome browser, to becoming CEO in October 2013, a position he has held since then. From our friends at TWIGA: 

Schmidtlein walked Pichai leisurely through the history of Google and Pichai’s place in it over the past two decades, painting Google as an altruistic company that simply wanted to provide the world with ever-improving access to information. 

During his cross-examination, Pichai repeated the importance and value of defaults numerous times while being questioned. This is at the very heart of the DOJ’s case against his company. Why a CEO would choose to do this seems more of a PR strategy – look I’m the transparent CEO who wants to do better - than a legal strategy. This is something caught on by AP and Reuters, which led with the cheeky headline: Google CEO Sundar Pichai swears under oath that $26 billion payment to device makers was partly to nudge them to make security upgrades and other improvements.

After Pichai, the DOJ successfully exposed Google’s expert technical witness Edward Fox, a Professor of Computer Science at Virginia Tech, as not independent or credible Fox conducted an experiment and study which led him to believe that a majority of the Google-Microsoft quality gap must be explained by “factors other than user interaction data”. It became clear through the DOJ’s cross-examination of Fox that Google had an inordinate amount of influence and control over the study, calling into question its independence.

The DOJ asked Fox whether Google’s counsel told him to use fewer footnotes than he usually would, asking whether his “original report could have had another hundred footnotes.” Fox replied, “Sure.” 

From our friends at TWIGA: 

The DOJ showed that Google had discretion over critical aspects of the study, and  that for some of those aspects, Fox did not know the specific details of them until months after the study. In one exchange regarding how many human raters Google used, Fox admitted that he did not know the exact number until a conversation with a Google engineer four or five months after the experiment had completed and his report was finished, saying, “I wanted to find out the specifics,” after the fact of the experiment. Fox also admitted that he did not even have a list of Google engineers who worked on the experiment. The DOJ also asked Fox if he had reviewed the code Google used in the experiment; Fox testified he did not review code in this case.

Google then called Dr. Ben Gomes, Google’s current Senior Vice President of Education. Gomes previously worked in Google Search from 1999 to 2020, serving as the head of the Search team from 2016 to 2020. Similar to Pichai, Google’s lawyer gave Gomes an opportunity to paint a vivid picture of the good old days of Google. Gomes excitedly spoke about the “very open and very free” culture and innovations at early Google. But monopolies rarely begin as monopolies. And first mover innovation does not create a right for Google, once it had formed its monopoly, to engage in anticompetitive conduct.


The DOJ had the last word with Gomes, who seemed to see, from the inside, that Google Search was prioritizing revenue over users. Gomes agreed with the DOJ assertion that “having more queries helps with ranking search results.” The DOJ asked Gomes if, at any time during his 20 years working on Google Search, he had ever studied “diminishing returns” of user data. He testified that he had not and did not “know the details of when diminishing returns set in,” which undermines Google’s implied assertion that other search competitors have “enough” data to compete.

The week closed with Google’s expert witness Mark Israel, still on stand after two days. The DOJ destroyed expert Mark Israel’s credibility at the get-go and turned him into a defacto gov witness. The DOJ read out a previous judge’s verdict calling out Israel’s credibility and that is opinions were “entitled to no weight.”



Next week will begin with more of his cross-examination. Google says it will be calling its last witness on Nov. 13 and finish its defense by Nov. 14.